Thursday, 22 November 2012< ^ >
arjan has set the subject to: Zotonic - the Erlang Content Management Framework
Room Configuration

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[10:28:36] <maas.maarten.zeeman> pub/sub -ing for great good
[10:29:40] <arjan> :)
[10:31:18] <arjan> maas.maarten.zeeman: we had a doc meeting the other day (tuesday)
[10:31:46] <arjan> you said you would do the notifications doc section
[10:31:55] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Saw it on twitter. Our internet is so slow
[10:32:03] <arjan> how is that going?
[10:33:10] <arjan> we think the notifications manual should only document the core functionality of it,
[10:33:16] <arjan> so how it works and how you can hook in to it
[10:33:20] <maas.maarten.zeeman> :-) Pretty busy with work, but thinking on how to explain that stuff. It has so many various uses.
[10:33:30] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Ok. That is better.
[10:33:36] <arjan> the specific notifications itself will be documented in the corresponding modules, models, etc.
[10:33:38] <maas.maarten.zeeman> and easier
[10:33:53] <maas.maarten.zeeman> just map, first, fold notify
[10:33:58] <arjan> yes indeed, because otherwise its such a big concept
[10:33:59] <arjan> yup
[10:34:01] <maas.maarten.zeeman> pub/sub with a twist
[10:34:13] <arjan> how to notify, and how to observe
[10:34:18] <arjan> with difference between pid_ and normal
[10:34:33] <andreas.stenius> and auto observe in modules :D
[10:34:36] <arjan> and something about priorities
[10:34:37] <arjan> yes indeed
[10:34:48] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Right. I can probably squeeze in some time tonight.
[10:35:09] <maas.maarten.zeeman> First and fold notifies are the twist :-)
[10:35:39] <andreas.stenius> bettter to start with the basics just to get started... at least that is what I had to do for the auth docs...
[10:36:52] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Now busy with some websocket/comet things similar to cowboy's bullet. Hooking that to mod_signal for an app. Works pretty smooth.
[10:37:30] <arjan> maas.maarten.zeeman: cool
[10:37:36] <arjan> thanks
[10:50:29] <maas.maarten.zeeman> When is the next hangout? The internet in the office will be fixed in a month (or two). Thursday's I'm working from home.
[11:09:21] <arjan> it's tuesday december 4th
[11:09:24] <arjan> 10 am
[11:09:36] <arjan> e.g. same time same place 2 weeks later
[11:09:40] <maas.maarten.zeeman> k.
[11:10:37] <maas.maarten.zeeman> I hope the internet connection is fixed by then.
[11:11:14] <arjan> :)
[11:11:30] <arjan> no coffee place nearby? where's your office btw?
[11:12:04] <andreas.stenius> a month or two to get the connection fixed!? time to switch service provider... ?
[11:12:22] <maas.maarten.zeeman> The new office is on the Haparandaweg in a harbour area in Amsterdam
[11:12:43] <maas.maarten.zeeman> The problem is that there aren't any good cables coming into the building.
[11:13:05] <andreas.stenius> well, that sucks :/
[11:13:28] <arjan> ah, that area
[11:13:30] <andreas.stenius> time to go wireless then. 4G is pretty good... ;)
[11:14:11] <maas.maarten.zeeman> The building is nice. Ah well, it will be fixed.
[11:14:31] <maas.maarten.zeeman> There are two fiber optic cables running through the street .
[11:14:54] <andreas.stenius> you getting hooked up to those?
[11:15:27] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Yup. That's why it is taking so long.
[11:15:33] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Permits and stuff.
[11:16:05] <maas.maarten.zeeman> And then somebody has to install a router in the building and give every unit an ip-address. Stuff like that.
[11:16:40] <maas.maarten.zeeman> At home I have a fiber too. :-)
[11:18:42] <maas.maarten.zeeman> This is the place. http://www.haparanda67.nl/
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[11:33:59] <andreas.stenius> looks nice :)
[11:43:05] <arjan> maas.maarten.zeeman: are those units only for sale? or also lease?
[12:03:50] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Lease and sale.
[12:10:04] <arjan> casco?
[12:11:28] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Yes. We have put some simple paint on the wall and floor. No money for fancy stuff.
[12:12:01] <maas.maarten.zeeman> vera
[12:12:29] <maas.maarten.zeeman> (that last line was from my doughter)
[12:13:38] <arjan> :D
[12:14:43] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Interested? We have a 60m2 unit with 2 others.
[12:15:08] <maas.maarten.zeeman> sjoerd
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[13:33:36] <arjan> we're looking for something bigger
[13:33:52] <arjan> all the IT guys of the second floor of the volkskrantgebouw
[13:34:12] <arjan> we need 30 desks together, and preferably not casco
[13:35:37] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Wow, that is a lot of people. Given the shoddy market it could easily be that they can and will accommodate to your wishes (for a price of course). The building almost empty right now.
[13:38:31] <maas.maarten.zeeman> There are other building in this area too.
[13:39:06] <arjan> we're looking currently at quite a fancy place
[13:39:32] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Those have bigger rooms. Our building has smallish self supporting units.
[13:39:57] <maas.maarten.zeeman> There are a lot of empty offices to choose from :-)
[13:40:09] <arjan> hehe
[13:40:10] <arjan> yes
[13:40:14] <arjan> we're looking at this now: http://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/amsterdam/object-48480359-oostenburgervoorstraat-83/fotos/?foto=1000&size=grotere
[13:40:31] <arjan> is very pretty on the inside
[13:40:44] <arjan> used to be a fashion agency
[13:41:07] <maas.maarten.zeeman> That looks pretty cool
[13:42:37] <arjan> bit more expensive though
[13:42:45] <arjan> will be like 200€ per person per desk
[13:42:55] <arjan> but still
[13:44:05] <maas.maarten.zeeman> To me it was surprising it was quite hard to find smaller units. If you need 1000 m2 no problem. Lots of empty buildings.
[13:44:46] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Our is 130 eur m2/year
[13:45:30] <arjan> including service costs?
[13:45:37] <maas.maarten.zeeman> No that is extra
[13:46:02] <maas.maarten.zeeman> This building is close to ours, also more expensive. http://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/amsterdam/object-48526320-danzigerkade-17/
[13:46:13] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Has a nice view over the water.
[13:47:03] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Two floors are empty
[13:47:48] <arjan> nice
[13:48:50] <maas.maarten.zeeman> That whole area is under development. Gaastra has a new office there.
[13:51:17] <maas.maarten.zeeman> This one is also half empty. http://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/amsterdam/object-47111395-archangelkade-6-c/kenmerken/
[13:51:44] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Depends a bit what kind of offices you want.
[13:52:22] <maas.maarten.zeeman> These are bigger units. Which is probably more interesting for 30 people.
[13:54:15] <arjan> we're 30 but actually consist of a few companies
[13:54:19] <arjan> so we have quite some room requirements
[13:54:23] <arjan> not too big, not too small :)
[13:55:34] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Well our building has separate units of around 60m2. Some bigger some smaller. Can be rented separately.
[13:56:57] <maas.maarten.zeeman> This is our building: http://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/amsterdam/object-47340827-haparandaweg-67-a6/
[13:58:18] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Kan de makelaar wel even pingen :-)
[14:01:53] <arjan> hoeft nie, we zijn al behoorlijk ver met dat eerste kantoor die ik postte
[14:02:22] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Die ziet er wel heel gaaf uit moet ik zeggen.
[14:02:32] <arjan> :)
[14:02:43] <arjan> is erg mooi ja
[14:02:51] <arjan> ook leuk buurtje
[14:02:55] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Ik ken die hoek
[14:03:33] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Zitten nog een aantal andere it bedrijven.
[14:04:20] <arjan> klopt ja, in het gebouw ernaast
[14:04:41] <arjan> deze, http://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/amsterdam/object-47373378-oostenburgervoorstraat-42-178/fotos/?foto=1000&size=grotere
[14:04:45] <arjan> maar dat is meer een 'standaard' kantoor
[14:05:14] <arjan> hal en gebouw is mooi maar de kantoren zelf niet zo
[14:05:17] <arjan> systeemplafond... :p
[14:05:26] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Ja die ja.
[14:07:51] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Onbegrijpelijk barbaars.
[14:20:06] <maas.maarten.zeeman> Nu nog werkend internet. :-)
[14:24:12] <arjan> hehe
[14:24:17] <arjan> moet er vandoor, spreek je later
[14:24:25] <maas.maarten.zeeman> later
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[14:45:22] <Vineet Naik> Hi, I am getting this error when I run make "Recompile: src/zotonic_sup
src/zotonic_sup.erl:none: error in parse transform 'lager_transform': {undef, ... " on my ubuntu desktop (12.04) erlang R14B04. How do I resolve this?
[14:51:04] <maas.maarten.zeeman> That is probably a git submodule problem. What do you get when you run "git submodule"
[14:51:54] <Vineet Naik> ok. I downloaded zip from github.
[14:52:23] <Vineet Naik> github zip doesn't include downloads. I will clone it and check. thanks
[14:52:50] <Vineet Naik> *github doesn't include git submodules in downloads it seems
[14:52:57] <maas.maarten.zeeman> ok. thanks for reporting. we need to check that.
[14:59:38] <Vineet Naik> it compiled properly now after cloning the repo and getting submodules. thanks
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[16:41:32] <Marc Worrell> did we change the SNAME=xxxxx usage for zotonic 0.9 shell scripts?
[18:01:09] <andreas.stenius> arjan changed something with short/long names a few weeks ago...
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