Zotonic
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Wednesday, 19 September 2012< ^ >
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[10:10:30] <arjan> which one?
[10:10:52] <arjan> pidgin is OK
[10:10:57] <arjan> pretty bare bones but does the job
[10:11:24] arjan has set the subject to: Zotonic - the Erlang Content Management Framework
[10:11:30] <arjan> ;-)
[10:12:29] <kaos> perhaps try that then... using psi atm..
[10:13:08] <kaos> have trillian too, but they don't support joining jabber muc's!
[10:13:35] <kaos> (not that I've found any way)
[10:15:05] <arjan> yes I know, trillian is strange
[10:15:22] <arjan> are you on mac?
[10:15:30] <arjan> if so you can also try adium, which I hear is pretty good
[10:44:01] <kaos> I have a Mac, but my "other" work requires a PC, so I'm on that, most of the time... :/
[10:44:43] <kaos> thinking about having a Mac Pro, with a virtualized windows on... but haven't spent any time making that happen yet...
[10:51:26] <Marc Worrell> mac pro is overpriced for what it is
[10:51:37] <Marc Worrell> mac mini is not far behind on speed
[10:54:48] <kaos> ok, thanks. Haven't looked at any specs yet...
[10:55:11] <Marc Worrell> we have a mini here, nice little (& cheap) machine
[10:55:34] <arjan> I'm on a i7 already for 1.5 year, and it's perfect
[10:55:35] <kaos> btw, regarding the scripts that generate the stubs for the sphinx docs... there's a lot of duplication that I want to get rid of (just pointing it out so you know I'm aware of it... ;)
[10:55:40] <arjan> 4 cores
[10:55:46] <arjan> kaos: ok
[10:56:07] <arjan> did you also say you wanted the glossary zotonic doc to stay there until we finish all the terms?
[10:57:27] <kaos> well, for me it doesn't really matter... but if there's more than one chef stirring the soup.. I think that google docs handle that better. So until we have it settled in git, we can just as well use the benefit of multiediting in google docs for now. Until we feel it\s time to get it in place with the rest
[10:57:38] <kaos> just wanted to grab a bunch for preview... :)
[10:57:54] <arjan> yup
[10:57:58] <arjan> :)
[10:58:12] <Marc Worrell> btw mac mini can have 16GB of RAM; http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3_1333
[10:58:26] <kaos> nice! :)
[10:59:48] <Marc Worrell> arjan, where was your glossary doc?
[11:00:28] <arjan> https://docs.google.com/a/miraclethings.nl/document/d/1usLOL4pa6fA7QoF7guz2NWJ76npgmAkDu22OIVDv0gk/edit
[11:00:29] <kaos> if you go to google drive, shared with me, there's a link
[11:00:32] <kaos> ah
[11:11:53] <arjan> I added some more text to the glossary
[11:14:35] <arjan> maas.maarten.zeeman: we should not go into too much detail about every glossary term.
[11:14:44] <arjan> we can use links to other sections of the manual to explain stuff more in-depth
[11:15:05] <arjan> but the stuff on the config file is nice :)
[11:30:18] <arjan> kind of hard describing that scomp / action / wire interactions
[11:30:19] <arjan> :)
[11:30:29] <arjan> explaining it clearly and briefly
[11:30:37] <Marc Worrell> it is going well
[11:30:54] <Marc Worrell> some are implemented as scomps, but that doesn't matter
[11:31:10] <Marc Worrell> that is just an implementation detail that could change any time.
[11:35:14] <Marc Worrell> Should we also add a definition of Media?
[11:35:45] <Marc Worrell> Because of the confusion that it is a normal page (unlike other systems).
[11:36:20] <arjan> sure
[11:39:55] <arjan> i think we should not use "You..." constructs in the glossary
[11:40:52] <Marc Worrell> yep
[11:42:02] <arjan> its starting to look like something!
[11:44:24] <Marc Worrell> yep :)
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[11:53:38] <arjan> Ilya Rezvov: if you're interested, we're creating a zotonic glossary document right now
[11:53:46] <arjan> whats your google account address?
[11:55:03] <Ilya Rezvov> arjan: mr_spy@inbox.ru
[11:57:40] <arjan> Marc Worrell: I'm not sure 'translation' is such a good glossary topic -- to broad?
[11:58:09] <arjan> or am I wrong?
[12:08:02] <Marc Worrell> maybe - but it is also a source of confusion when I talk to customers. Like in "that needs to be translated"
[12:09:52] <arjan> yes, true
[12:17:15] <kaos> I've updated the docs to include the generated stuff in the index. The glossary items also shows up in the index :) http://kaos.github.com/zotonic/genindex.html
[12:17:57] <kaos> so, some index like parts in the module docs feel a little redundant now...
[12:18:45] <arjan> how do you mean redundant?
[12:19:06] <kaos> look at http://kaos.github.com/zotonic/modules/mod_survey.html
[12:19:16] <kaos> the same list is now in the index as well...
[12:19:30] <kaos> in a slightly different format, but easier to find...
[12:19:56] <kaos> (and less hackishly produced ;)
[12:20:40] <arjan> indeed
[12:22:52] <Marc Worrell> nice!
[12:23:11] <arjan> indeed
[12:23:38] <arjan> although I think the manually edited info should be above the list of templates/controllers etc, not below it :p
[12:24:15] <Marc Worrell> This is nice: http://kaos.github.com/zotonic/modules/dispatch/dispatch_mod_rest-dispatch_rest.html
[12:24:53] <kaos> arjan: and I say to drop that list entirely... ;)
[12:25:26] <kaos> however I'd like to be able to add a link to the info on the index page... but haven't found a way to do that...
[12:26:03] <kaos> Marc Worrell: :)
[12:26:55] <Marc Worrell> i like to see the dispatch rules in the docs
[12:27:15] <Marc Worrell> it really helps to understand what the module can do and where it hooks into the browser
[12:27:21] <Ilya Rezvov> yeah, it is important part of system
[12:27:52] <kaos> I'd like to improve it even further, by having a "master" table of all dispatch rules, so you can get the big picture...
[12:28:14] <Marc Worrell> which is very big indeed :p
[12:28:15] <kaos> in the docs is great, but it's still in little pieces scattered all over the place
[12:28:22] <kaos> :)
[12:28:29] <Marc Worrell> should be able to order on module prio
[12:28:41] <kaos> perfect!
[12:28:48] <Marc Worrell> but we can also make that an option in the mod_development
[12:28:56] <Marc Worrell> past an uri and see what matches
[12:29:05] <kaos> yeah, it would be nice to see which rules are acutally used...
[12:34:04] <Ilya Rezvov> maybe reorder glossary in lexicographical order?
[12:34:34] <arjan> Ilya Rezvov: yes that will be done by sphinx
[12:34:45] <arjan> http://kaos.github.com/zotonic/glossary.html
[12:34:56] <arjan> the googledoc is just temp
[12:35:07] <Ilya Rezvov> cool :)
[12:35:40] <kaos> I'm updating the doc to follow the ReST formata for the glossary to ease conversion later....
[12:35:48] <kaos> *format
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[14:17:25] <kaos> lol, all those generated files.... ;)
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[16:19:38] <andreas.stenius> hmm...
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[16:20:25] <Marc Worrell> yeah, guess so
[16:20:35] <Marc Worrell> no chat thing is very good atm
[16:20:48] <Marc Worrell> they all have problems and incompatibilties
[16:20:56] <andreas.stenius> nah, I get everything twice now.. ;p
[16:21:08] <Marc Worrell> I see you twice in the list
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[16:21:42] <Marc Worrell> Which one do you want gone?
[16:21:50] <andreas.stenius> the one named kaos
[16:21:52] <Marc Worrell> "Andreas" ? or "andreas"
[16:21:58] <andreas.stenius> oh, ...
[16:22:07] <Marc Worrell> i see you now as "andreas"
[16:22:08] <andreas.stenius> I see one andreas.stenius and one kaos
[16:22:16] <andreas.stenius> kick them all, I can reconnect
[16:23:07] <Marc Worrell> hmmm, can't
[16:23:12] <Marc Worrell> maybe Arjan can
[16:23:23] <andreas.stenius> weird, you're listed as op...
[16:23:34] <andreas.stenius> ok, nevemind this.
[16:23:44] <Marc Worrell> guess Adium doesn't have the interface
[16:24:04] <andreas.stenius> could be...
[16:24:23] <Marc Worrell> silly thing
[16:24:32] <andreas.stenius> ;)
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[17:43:48] <Ilya Rezvov> are u write scripts for one time tasks for zotonic?
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[17:45:33] <Ilya Rezvov> i have many such tasts
[17:45:37] <Ilya Rezvov> i read csv file
[17:46:27] <Ilya Rezvov> and create rsc of a category with fields from csv
[17:46:41] <Ilya Rezvov> but csv can have different structure
[17:47:56] <Ilya Rezvov> and i write module for each file - import data - and remove it
[17:49:11] <Ilya Rezvov> but this process can be simplified by writing simple scripts
[17:49:16] <Ilya Rezvov> on any script lang
[17:49:21] <Ilya Rezvov> JS for example
[17:49:46] <Ilya Rezvov> anybody knows js now :)
[18:00:15] <Ilya Rezvov> i think about module with erlv8
[18:00:28] <Ilya Rezvov> and make api for js
[18:01:05] <Ilya Rezvov> for creating rsc, join edges and so on
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[19:58:19] <Marc Worrell> you could use js or maybe lua? there was an implementation of lua on the erlang vm
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