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[12:00:22] <Michael Connors> Hello
[12:15:59] <Marc Worrell> Hola :)
[12:23:21] <Michael Connors> The eprivacy directive is certainly something to think about.
[12:23:48] <Marc Worrell> yes, as we are quite european we will definitely bonk our head against it.
[12:24:32] <Marc Worrell> what we might want to do is to split our translation cookie of into a separate cookie. And set the persistent cookie only when it is needed (eg shopping carts etc)
[12:25:12] <Marc Worrell> then we can quite easily show the "we work better with cookies" dialog at the top of the screen.
[12:25:23] <Marc Worrell> and maybe make the session optional - but that is quite tricky.
[12:25:44] <Marc Worrell> have to think about it
[12:26:31] <Michael Connors> I think the most important thing is to tell people that they are getting third party cookies via your site. I think that is what they will crucify you for.
[12:27:08] <Michael Connors> It us very hard to see what is required though, until someone gets taken to court
[12:28:37] <Michael Connors> Also, you will have 27 different implementation of the directive.
[12:28:50] <Michael Connors> 28
[12:39:33] <Michael Connors> Most people won't even know what cookies they are setting. Probably the average Zotonic user does not know, certainly the average php blog engine user does not know.
[12:52:53] <Michael Connors> I must email the Irish data protection commissioner to ask them if their website complies, because they are setting a cookie without asking me ;-)
[13:08:11] <Michael Connors> I think quite possibly one of the most useful things to do from a CMS/Framework makers point of view, would be to generate a list of all the cookies that are going to be set by your site. So that users of the CMS framework actually know what they need to ask permission for.
[13:12:47] <Michael Connors> http://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/privacy_statement.aspx
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[13:46:18] <Marc Worrell> Yes, I was thinking that we can request all modules which cookies they set, including a description. Then the list depends nicely on the modules that are enabled.
[13:54:06] <Michael Connors> There is also analytics and ad cookies though. I had been thinking of a module that crawls the sitemap and checks what all the cookies are.
[14:08:35] <Michael Connors> a built in audit
[14:24:53] <Michael Connors> or perhaps it is just better to embed any third party analytics or ads through a module that can be controlled
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[15:09:08] <Marc Worrell> Google Analytics does use some cookies, I think mostly for tracking the unique visitors. The cookies are 1st party cookies though.
[15:09:33] <Marc Worrell> Twitter and Facebook widgets leave lots of extra cookies, maybe Youtube does as well.
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[15:21:08] <Michael Connors> yes, it is very hard to keep track of them all, I have one French site which is very heavy in social media and hosted content. http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/eu-cookies-directive-interactive-guide-to-25th-may-and-what-it-means-for-you.html
[15:28:11] <Marc Worrell> That cookie directive has interesting technical consequences. But then, maybe it is also good that it is becoming clear who is tracking whom.
[15:30:47] <Michael Connors> certainly, it is a good chance to take a look at, and think about how I am helping others to gather information
[15:53:36] <Michael Connors> I see the parliament and the commission also set cookies without asking
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